S-Class (W222) [Official] Mercedes-Benz S 65 AMG (W222)

[hannaz]

Mansory kitted S65

 

[Yaz]

Black S-Class is mega (like C.H. would say).

 

[Kowalski]

Mansory kitted S65

I shouldn't like that, but I do...

 

[hannaz]

Saw this weird comparison, the guy has mentioned the S-Class as S65 and specs shown was also about it, but actually the car is S63.

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[Wolfgang]

 

[Wolfgang]

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[Wolfgang]

 

[hannaz]

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[Max D]

'In a recent interview, Mercedes-AMG CEO Tobias Moers told Car & Driver the company will eventually offer an all-wheel drive system on models equipped with the twin-turbo V12 engine. The executive also revealed the V12 engine will become more powerful as he wants to create a "meaningful" power gap between the V8 and V12 engines.'
http://www.worldcarfans.com/1151201...o-offer-all-wheel-drive-on-v12-powered-models

 

[Monster]

'In a recent interview, Mercedes-AMG CEO Tobias Moers told Car & Driver the company will eventually offer an all-wheel drive system on models equipped with the twin-turbo V12 engine. The executive also revealed the V12 engine will become more powerful as he wants to create a "meaningful" power gap between the V8 and V12 engines.'
http://www.worldcarfans.com/1151201...o-offer-all-wheel-drive-on-v12-powered-models

The SL65 black series from 5 years ago has 670hp from the V12 engine, so the engine is capable of producing more than the 630 hp on the current SL 65.

 

[Rolf]

The SL65 black series from 5 years ago has 670hp from the V12 engine, so the engine is capable of producing more than the 630 hp on the current SL 65.

In the Pagani Huayra it's got 730PS and Brabus squeeze 900PS out of the V12 so it's still got huge potential but from a technological point as well as emissions and consumption potential improvement it is behind the newer engines. AMG could base this engine on the current 4 and 8 cylinder turbo engines and it will be vastly more efficient. Adding some electric turbos and cylinder deactivation together with energy recovery systems could bring out a new high tech V12 with huge power.

 

[SKY]

What I wonder is when are we going to see the new V12. The current one is ancient already.

 

[Max D]

I'm afraid with that amount of V12 vehicles MB sells it's possible we'll never see new V12 engine. Also it's too heavy for engine-in-front architecture and today trend is opposite.

Next 213 E63 is getting E-diff from C63 S-model (and GT S). So it could be imlemented into S63 at least.

 

[hannaz]

But I personally feel that MB won't discontinue the process of having V12 engines under the hood of their flagships. Hence we could expect a new V12 very soon as the present one is quite old motor and it feel that the max have extracted from this unit.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

If BMW and Audi have a V12, Mercedes will too. It's a matter of prestige.

 

[DjordjeC63]

Audi never had V12 Except of V12 TDI

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

^ Sorry I meant the VAG group.

 

[Max D]

So do I, I don't believe MB leaves its top cars without V12. But all new engine or based on current technological V8... Great doubts.

 

[hannaz]

It seems AMG version of S-Class is soon to be under pressure. May it be V8 or V12, AMG or rather Mercedes have to consider a new more powerful V8 & V12 both in normal and tuned up variants.

Possible BMW M7 test mule spied for the first time


Spy photos originating from Sweden show what could possibly be an early test mule of the BMW M7.

We’ve heard BMW saying multiple times it won’t do a full-blown M7 because it doesn’t believe there would be enough demand to create a profitable business case. However, last week the company said it has plans to roll out more M models, so maybe the executives have changed their minds and there will be an M7 after all.

Seen here could be just that, the crown jewel of the 7 Series range slated to be positioned above the recently introduced M760Li xDrive. While the latter has a 610-hp 6.6-liter V12 engine, chances are the possible M7 will use an upgraded iteration of the biturbo 4.4-liter V8 linked exclusively to an xDrive all-wheel drive system. The engine delivers 600 hp in the M5 “30 Jahre M5” special edition, so M’s engineers will probably optimize it further and squeeze extra horsepower to make worthy of an S63-fighting M7. If it will stick to the larger V12, it will go up against Mercedes-AMG's S65.

Even if it’s not an M7, the new model planned by BMW / BMW M is certainly a performance version judging by the size of the front brakes. The car also had quad exhaust tips, 19-inch wheels, and carried “BMW Individual” lettering at the back on the chrome bar interconnecting the taillights. Our spies tell us they saw these two vehicles testing together with an M5 and two X6 Ms, so clearly this is something with a lot of punch.

Being an early test mule, don’t expect this new derivative to come out in the foreseeable future, so most likely the model will be launched next year as a 2018MY. We are not excluding the possibility this is one of those special models planned by BMW to celebrate its centenary this year. There are rumors of a 7 Series Centennial Edition due this fall, but that one will focus on luxury whereas these cars hint at something exciting for the driver, not for the rear passengers.

Source: Worldcarfans