Official Thread [Official] MINI Electric Concept
Sunny
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Ooh, horse that high? I am jealous. But it was not about "mocking things I don't like", it is knocking gross incompetency. The B class EV was shit, and deserved all the criticism it received. Yes, when it was a brand I am not fan of, I derived some schadenfreude from it. Sue me. And FWIW, I have also praised Mercedes when they get things right, like dominating F1 to the point I don't watch it any more, saving me my Sunday afternoons.
But if you rather be some place where everyone just praised everything their favorite brand did no matter how bad it was, I am sure there are places like that on the Internet.
Sunny
Premium
Read the EPA estimated range is 114 miles.
So,
2009 Mini E - 200HP, 35kwh battery, 100 miles, 0-60 8 secs, 95mph top speed.
2019 Mini E - 180HP, 32.5kwh battery, 114 miles, 0-60, 7.5 secs, 93mph top speed
The old one didn't have rear seats, while new one does. But otherwise, that is the progress BMW made in 10 years.
OXFORD -- Mini said it expects strong demand for its first full-electric car, the Mini Electric, as customers increasingly choose battery-powered cars that are emissions free.
"We are entering an era in which electric cars will become a normal choice for our customers," BMW's production chief, Oliver Zipse, said at a press event at Mini's home production plant here. According to reports, Zipse is the frontrunner to become BMW's new CEO after current boss Harald Krueger said last week that he will step down.
BMW said about 20,000 potential customers have already expressed an interest in the Mini Electric.
The car will have a range of 200 km (124 miles) to 232 km (140 miles) under Europe's WLTP test regime. It uses a 32.6 kilowatt-hour battery pack.
Mini said performance has been prioritized over range. The Mini Electric will accelerate from 0-100 kph (62 mph) in 7.3 seconds. Top speed is limited to 150 kph (93 mph). Maximum power is 184 hp.
The Mini Electric is based on the three-door Mini hatchback. It has the same 211 liters of trunk space as the combustion engine car, rising to 731 liters with the rear seats folded down.
The first electric Mini was built in 2008 on a trial basis. It was a two-seater because of its large battery pack. The Mini Electric seats five.
The Mini Electric weighs 1,365 kg (3009 pounds), which Mini says is 145 kg heavier than the Mini Cooper S three-door combustion engine car with automatic transmission. The center of gravity is 30 mm lower than the combustion engine car, helping with the vehicle dynamics.
'Affordable' pricing
The battery pack is fitted into the space vacated by the exhaust pipe and the fuel tank, meaning the body shell and chassis is largely similar to the conventional Mini.
The battery pack is built in BMW’s plant Dingolfing, Germany, using pouch-style lithium ion battery cells supplied by CATL in China. The electric motor is adapted from the one in the BMW i3 and fits under the hood using the same engine mounts as the combustion unit, saving BMW money in development.
The Mini Electric comes with home and public charging cables. It can be recharged to 80 percent capacity in 35 minutes from a 50 kW fast-charging station.
Mini said it has priced the car to be widely affordable, with monthly leasing rates starting at 299 pounds in the UK. Prices to buy the car in the UK will be from 24,400 to 30,400 pounds including a government plug-in car grant. In Germany, the Mini Electric will start at 32,000 euros. Prices for the U.S., where it will be called the Mini Cooper SE, were not disclosed.
Zipse defended the relatively short range of the Mini Electric, saying that giving it a bigger battery to boost range would have made it too expensive.
"It's an urban car and 140 miles is exactly on the sweet spot. There are not so many electric cars in that price range," Zipse said.
The Nissan Leaf with a 40 kWh battery packs starts at 27,995 pounds in the UK including a government incentive.
"We are entering an era in which electric cars will become a normal choice for our customers," BMW's production chief, Oliver Zipse, said at a press event at Mini's home production plant here. According to reports, Zipse is the frontrunner to become BMW's new CEO after current boss Harald Krueger said last week that he will step down.
BMW said about 20,000 potential customers have already expressed an interest in the Mini Electric.
The car will have a range of 200 km (124 miles) to 232 km (140 miles) under Europe's WLTP test regime. It uses a 32.6 kilowatt-hour battery pack.
Mini said performance has been prioritized over range. The Mini Electric will accelerate from 0-100 kph (62 mph) in 7.3 seconds. Top speed is limited to 150 kph (93 mph). Maximum power is 184 hp.
The Mini Electric is based on the three-door Mini hatchback. It has the same 211 liters of trunk space as the combustion engine car, rising to 731 liters with the rear seats folded down.
The first electric Mini was built in 2008 on a trial basis. It was a two-seater because of its large battery pack. The Mini Electric seats five.
The Mini Electric weighs 1,365 kg (3009 pounds), which Mini says is 145 kg heavier than the Mini Cooper S three-door combustion engine car with automatic transmission. The center of gravity is 30 mm lower than the combustion engine car, helping with the vehicle dynamics.
'Affordable' pricing
The battery pack is fitted into the space vacated by the exhaust pipe and the fuel tank, meaning the body shell and chassis is largely similar to the conventional Mini.
The battery pack is built in BMW’s plant Dingolfing, Germany, using pouch-style lithium ion battery cells supplied by CATL in China. The electric motor is adapted from the one in the BMW i3 and fits under the hood using the same engine mounts as the combustion unit, saving BMW money in development.
The Mini Electric comes with home and public charging cables. It can be recharged to 80 percent capacity in 35 minutes from a 50 kW fast-charging station.
Mini said it has priced the car to be widely affordable, with monthly leasing rates starting at 299 pounds in the UK. Prices to buy the car in the UK will be from 24,400 to 30,400 pounds including a government plug-in car grant. In Germany, the Mini Electric will start at 32,000 euros. Prices for the U.S., where it will be called the Mini Cooper SE, were not disclosed.
Zipse defended the relatively short range of the Mini Electric, saying that giving it a bigger battery to boost range would have made it too expensive.
"It's an urban car and 140 miles is exactly on the sweet spot. There are not so many electric cars in that price range," Zipse said.
The Nissan Leaf with a 40 kWh battery packs starts at 27,995 pounds in the UK including a government incentive.
Or.. alternatively, I'd rather a place where drive-by shit posting was replaced with balanced reasoning. I'm personally far less bothered by someones opinion if they've arrived at it in a reasonable and logical manner.
Sunny
Premium
Very interesting, so inside your brain, how does it square your blind fandom with logic and balanced reasoning? Does the left side just go -
Just kidding.
EnI
Piston Pioneer
I still support the idea of different battery sizes in different models / variants ... Not every f...g BEV needs 400km or even 600km range, carrying all the battery weight for "just-in-case" situations once a year. 2nd or 3rd cars in households, used for intracity urban driving of max 80km per day DO NOT NEED 400km range battery. IMHO cars in A & B segment (sub-compact, small) do not need long-range BEVs It's not viable from engineering (space, weight) and financial (price) point of view.
I understand many legacy carmakers are now launching B-segment cars with long range, since those are the only BEVs in their portfolio, and have to be all-rounders.
Carrying all the battery weight around for absolutely no reason (or not needed in 99.9% of cases) is simply imbecilic. Sure larger cars with more space can carry larger batteries, having better range. But for smaller cars it's not OK to be unnecessarily overweight. Or at least there should be options, different price ranges (like today different ICE options with different outputs) with different range & performance specs.
From rational engineering (are also form rational customer behaviour) point of view heavy & big long-range batteries are redundant. I'm sure that will be optimised & resolved over the period, when charging stations will be widely available & faster charging at home more affordable & accessible, the "range angst" will go away for many. And then some buyers, drivers will be OK with eg 150km or 200km range in some vehicles. But sure the pricing will have to be set according to the range & performance. Just like it is today + according to the brand image & cache incl fit&finish etc ... dictating higher prices for such brands.
But today - when people hysterically demand long range in any BEV, of any size & of any price segment, it takes huge amount of courage & risk to defy those irrational wishes. Especially since hysterical social media influencers & BEV fanatics are demanding extremely loudly & hysterically from car makers that all BEVs must come with super-car like performance & at least 600km range - just because the BEV tech allows that.
It's the same with all the other products today ... All the comparisons Good/Bad and For/Against are done vis a vis pest products available. Eg. every TV or smartphone is compared to the top of the range offerings. WHY? Not everybody needs & wants or can afford $1000 smartphone or $5000 TV with almost NASA-like specs.
Mass hysteria via (social) media.
I understand many legacy carmakers are now launching B-segment cars with long range, since those are the only BEVs in their portfolio, and have to be all-rounders.
Carrying all the battery weight around for absolutely no reason (or not needed in 99.9% of cases) is simply imbecilic. Sure larger cars with more space can carry larger batteries, having better range. But for smaller cars it's not OK to be unnecessarily overweight. Or at least there should be options, different price ranges (like today different ICE options with different outputs) with different range & performance specs.
From rational engineering (are also form rational customer behaviour) point of view heavy & big long-range batteries are redundant. I'm sure that will be optimised & resolved over the period, when charging stations will be widely available & faster charging at home more affordable & accessible, the "range angst" will go away for many. And then some buyers, drivers will be OK with eg 150km or 200km range in some vehicles. But sure the pricing will have to be set according to the range & performance. Just like it is today + according to the brand image & cache incl fit&finish etc ... dictating higher prices for such brands.
But today - when people hysterically demand long range in any BEV, of any size & of any price segment, it takes huge amount of courage & risk to defy those irrational wishes. Especially since hysterical social media influencers & BEV fanatics are demanding extremely loudly & hysterically from car makers that all BEVs must come with super-car like performance & at least 600km range - just because the BEV tech allows that.
It's the same with all the other products today ... All the comparisons Good/Bad and For/Against are done vis a vis pest products available. Eg. every TV or smartphone is compared to the top of the range offerings. WHY? Not everybody needs & wants or can afford $1000 smartphone or $5000 TV with almost NASA-like specs.
Mass hysteria via (social) media.
LaArtist
Wunderkind of Wheels
i believe you were the source of the bullshit they believed back then..
lol you are a high class troll, i wish to be like you.
Cashmere
RPM Ruler
Its comical to hear the justification from some of the members about how its acceptable for BMW to deliver yet another half arsed EV that lacks conviction
• Something about the area under an S curve
• Waiting till legislation and the grid catches up
• It will be a second car so it doesn't need to have range
• I've run out of excuses and have eaten my hat too many times - pls don't talk to me until 2025.
The left hand and right hand side are both pretty much on the same page... I obtained these MRI results a little while ago...
The left...
The right...
It's certainly its saving grace... just had a quick look at the cheaper end options here in the UK...
autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/first-drive-2019-mini-electric-driven-track
First drive: 2019 Mini Electric driven on track
The Mini brand is making the leap into electric power – but a brief drive shows the firm's first production EV is reassuringly familiar
The Mini Electric is the launching point of a bold new era for the venerable British brand – but the first impression you get from driving one is reassuringly familiar. Perhaps the biggest compliment you can pay Mini’s first series production electric car is that it drives and handles exactly as you’d expect a Mini to, regardless of powertrain.
autoexpress.co.uk/mini/mini/107441/new-mini-electric-2019-review
MINI has already received over 40,000 'registrations of interest’ ahead of any test drives. Prices start from £24,300, inclusive of the government grant, and rise to just over £30,000. Schwarzenbauer told us: “I have worked in the automotive industry for 35 years, and I have never seen a reaction like it.”
"The steering is weighty and reacts immediately to inputs, giving the Electric a real sense of athleticism; it feels every bit like an electric hot hatch and by some margin the most entertaining, ‘affordable’ EV to drive"
First drive: 2019 Mini Electric driven on track
The Mini brand is making the leap into electric power – but a brief drive shows the firm's first production EV is reassuringly familiar
The Mini Electric is the launching point of a bold new era for the venerable British brand – but the first impression you get from driving one is reassuringly familiar. Perhaps the biggest compliment you can pay Mini’s first series production electric car is that it drives and handles exactly as you’d expect a Mini to, regardless of powertrain.
autoexpress.co.uk/mini/mini/107441/new-mini-electric-2019-review
MINI has already received over 40,000 'registrations of interest’ ahead of any test drives. Prices start from £24,300, inclusive of the government grant, and rise to just over £30,000. Schwarzenbauer told us: “I have worked in the automotive industry for 35 years, and I have never seen a reaction like it.”
"The steering is weighty and reacts immediately to inputs, giving the Electric a real sense of athleticism; it feels every bit like an electric hot hatch and by some margin the most entertaining, ‘affordable’ EV to drive"
mini_cooper4
Autotechnik Ace
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Mini (stylized as MINI) is a British automotive brand founded in 1969, owned by German BMW since 2000,
and used by them for a range of small cars assembled in the United Kingdom, Austria, and the Netherlands.
The word Mini has been used in car model names since 1959, and in 1969 it became a brand in its own right
when the name "Mini" replaced the separate "Austin Mini" and "Morris Mini" car model names.
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