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Enhanced 469 HP Polestar 2 EV Arrives at Goodwood to Tackle Hill Climb Event

An experimental Polestar 2 EV has arrived at the 2021 Goodwood Festival of Speed looking really sporty thanks to several performance and visual enhancements. The fully electric fastback will tackle the Hill Climb event with the carmaker’s lead chassis engineer, Joakim Rydholm, behind the wheel.

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The vehicle is the brainchild of Polestar CEO Thomas Ingenlath, who challenged his design and engineering teams to come up with a more hardcore Polestar 2, designed especially for Goodwood.

Starting with performance, this long-range Dual Motor Polestar 2 has a combined output of 350 kW (469 hp / 476 ps). It also has a stronger stance courtesy of the wider track (+ 10 mm / 0.4 in on each side) and lower ride height (- 30 mm / 1.18 in). Naturally, it also boasts wider wheel arches to cover up the 9x21-inch dual tone wheels with six-piston Akebono brakes, just like the Polestar 1. Meanwhile, the Pirelli PZero Rosso performance tires were also borrowed from the Polestar 1.

In order to boost its handling characteristics, this car was fitted with stiffer springs (by 80% at the front and 40% at the rear). It also features Ohlins three-way performance dampers, which are roughly 30% stiffer than the original ones. The car’s engineers also increased overall rigidity by fitting this Polestar 2 with the carbon fiber front suspension strut bar taken off a Volvo S60 Polestar Engineered.

Aside from all the mechanical upgrades, the car, with its Snow Matte exterior, also comes with updated front and rear bumpers, a Magnesium Matte racing stripe, color-coded front grid and glossy black mirrors, plus additional color-coded bumpers and side skirts.

“This car is what happens when we are given freedom to go beyond our limits,” said Polestar chief chassis engineer Joakim Rydholm. “We already have such a great handling and performance characteristics in Polestar 2, but when Thomas asked me to make something special for Goodwood, I was really excited to up the stakes.”

 

[klier]

All I want is a f'ing Polestar 1 with Model S Plaid drivetrain and Polestar 2 Android auto.

Glorious would be an understatement. The Polestar 1 is the prettiest freak of a car.

 

[SKY]

Got to love what Volvo and Polestar are doing.

 

[Sunny]

Got to love what Volvo and Polestar are doing.

I like the car. But from a detached objective pov, the management failed terribly.

First, the stupid decision to make it it's own brand without Volvo's sales and service network. I think the P2 would have done much better if it was a Volvo. And what happens to Polestar when Volvo also becomes all electrical?

Second, the decision to pour time/money/effort/opportunity into probably one of the more pointless cars of the last 2 decades - the Polestar 1. Looks apart, wtf did it do for the brand?

Third, making your EV on a ICE platform and being non-competitive in areas that actually matter in the market, making it a complete sales dud.

Alt reality -
Polestar remains part of Volvo, but dedicated EV brand and uses Volvo's network.
Instead of Polestar 1, invests all that money/time/effort on a dedicated EV platform and actually makes P2 a competitive EV.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

I like the car. But from a detached objective pov, the management failed terribly.

First, the stupid decision to make it it's own brand without Volvo's sales and service network. I think the P2 would have done much better if it was a Volvo. And what happens to Polestar when Volvo also becomes all electrical?

Second, the decision to pour time/money/effort/opportunity into probably one of the more pointless cars of the last 2 decades - the Polestar 1. Looks apart, wtf did it do for the brand?

Third, making your EV on a ICE platform and being non-competitive in areas that actually matter in the market, making it a complete sales dud.

Alt reality -
Polestar remains part of Volvo, but dedicated EV brand and uses Volvo's network.
Instead of Polestar 1, invests all that money/time/effort on a dedicated EV platform and actually makes P2 a competitive EV.

I agree on most points but:
1. Polestar 2 has won all but one comparison test in EU (TM3P, etron, EQC, ID.3). CMA works very well for BEV.
2. I think polestar uses the entire Volvo service network. In the EU this has gotten them 10k sales in half a year of deliveries. Pretty incredible for a new brand in that timeframe if you ask me.
3. Polestar 1 might be a niche car but man does it look gorgeous!!

 

[Sunny]

1. Polestar 2 has won all but one comparison test in EU .

You keep saying that - "it won x mag comparisons" as if that is the goal. Makes me wonder is Polestar trying to win mag comparisons or sell the car? Cause the car is not selling. It is a big f#cking dud.

Here is the list of top 20 EVs globally till May. No Polestar 2.

Which means it sold less than 20k, i.e, ~1/10th of the volume Model 3 did, the car you claim it is better than.


You say it won all but 1 EU comparisons. Well, here is the top 20 EVs in EU. Again, no Polestar 2.

You have previously said it won all German comparisons. Well, here is the top 20 EVs in Germany. Surprise! no Polestar 2.

I am guessing you are involved with Polestar in some capacity, so I will try and sugarcoat it as best as I can - I actually like the car, but the car is a dud. It is not like it lags Model 3 in sales by a few % points that one could argue other factors are in play. It lags by a factor of 10x, i.e 1000%! So whatever is the reason Polestar2 wins "mag comparisons" is not what the market wants or cares about. The sooner Polestar/Geely realizes tha and starts over, the better for them.

 

[Levi68]

You keep saying that - "it won x mag comparisons" as if that is the goal. Makes me wonder is Polestar trying to win mag comparisons or sell the car? Cause the car is not selling. It is a big f#cking dud.

Here is the list of top 20 EVs globally till May. No Polestar 2.

Which means it sold less than 20k, i.e, ~1/10th of the volume Model 3 did, the car you claim it is better than.


You say it won all but 1 EU comparisons. Well, here is the top 20 EVs in EU. Again, no Polestar 2.

You have previously said it won all German comparisons. Well, here is the top 20 EVs in Germany. Surprise! no Polestar 2.

I am guessing you are involved with Polestar in some capacity, so I will try and sugarcoat it as best as I can - I actually like the car, but the car is a dud. It is not like it lags Model 3 in sales by a few % points that one could argue other factors are in play. It lags by a factor of 10x, i.e 1000%! So whatever is the reason Polestar2 wins "mag comparisons" is not what the market wants or cares about. The sooner Polestar/Geely realizes tha and starts over, the better for them.

you are aware what sells is not so much product, but marketing?

what is your point? polestar does not sell? indeed, it doesn't, but not because of technical demerits. you are trying to equate poor sales = bad product.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

You keep saying that - "it won x mag comparisons" as if that is the goal. Makes me wonder is Polestar trying to win mag comparisons or sell the car? Cause the car is not selling. It is a big f#cking dud.

Here is the list of top 20 EVs globally till May. No Polestar 2.

Which means it sold less than 20k, i.e, ~1/10th of the volume Model 3 did, the car you claim it is better than.


You say it won all but 1 EU comparisons. Well, here is the top 20 EVs in EU. Again, no Polestar 2.

You have previously said it won all German comparisons. Well, here is the top 20 EVs in Germany. Surprise! no Polestar 2.

I am guessing you are involved with Polestar in some capacity, so I will try and sugarcoat it as best as I can - I actually like the car, but the car is a dud. It is not like it lags Model 3 in sales by a few % points that one could argue other factors are in play. It lags by a factor of 10x, i.e 1000%! So whatever is the reason Polestar2 wins "mag comparisons" is not what the market wants or cares about. The sooner Polestar/Geely realizes tha and starts over, the better for them.

Yes, I am involved. I have looked into buying an EV, saw the Polestar 2, and then researched. I'm too objective and rational than to take forum content personally.

Two questions:
1. Based on your thinking, a successful product is defined as the sales number it generates? And that far outweighs other factors (independent reviews, margins, brand, etc.)?
2. It is a new brand with 0% customer base launched during COVID, in your opinion which brand you listed has the same/similar starting point?

Also PHEV is not BEV.

 

[KiwiRob]

you are aware what sells is not so much product, but marketing?

what is your point? polestar does not sell? indeed, it doesn't, but not because of technical demerits. you are trying to equate poor sales = bad product.

Polestar 2 sells well in Norway. I see them everywhere, as you should it's the 9th best selling vehicle in Norway.

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I like the idea of a more powerful faster 2, it would also be nice if they can increase the range as well.

 

[Sunny]

1. Based on your thinking, a successful product is defined as the sales number it generates? And that far outweighs other factors (independent reviews, margins, brand, etc.)?

Is my thinking really important? Or yours? Or anyone else's? What matters is the market. And it is pretty obvious what the market is thinking. That it is a dud.

Just to be clear, we are not talking C vs 3er here, a few % point difference, so forum fanboys can goto school on who won which mag comparison. This is a 1000% difference. This is more like someone arguing Sony Xperia is better than Iphone cause it won some comparisons.

I will answer the other later, when I get time.

 

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At least as far as the German market is concerned, I suspect the Polestars' modus operandi regarding the marketing and sales of their automobiles may estrange a highly conservative, "mature in age" demographic with limited at best "digital skills". What younger and/or "IT literate" consumers embrace as "easy-peasy" and "cool" constitutes a departure from the comfort zone of senior shoppers. Established brands such as VAG, M-B, BMW, Hyundai/KIA and PSA, despite the digitalization of their marketing and sales, remain firmly positioned on uninhibiting, comfortable terrain. Tesla, obviously, has become progressively "more acceptable and ACCESSABLE" to that particular demographic as well-especially over the course of the past 5 or so years. Polestar, however, is relatively new to the game and for those who are not particularly "automobile affine", an unfamiliar entity in which the connection to Volvo is not recognized. Hence, "joint brand stores" may be a better solution after all.

 

[Levi68]

Somehow Telsa is now an established brand and is here to stay if things go forward the same way, which they likely will. BEV transition will finally have no impact on car manufacturers, the car manufacturers that will disappear, the reason will not be electrification, but the brand overall. See Infiniti, Jaguar, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Mitsubishi, Suzuki, Acura/Honda, Aston Martin.

 

[Sunny]

2. It is a new brand with 0% customer base launched during COVID,

Covid was same for everyone and if anything EV sales boomed after the 1st half of last year. So I don't think that makes a valid excuse.

As for the " new brand" thing - someone/group made that call. Instead of an amazingly well established and trusted brand they could have used. Then to turn around and to use that that as an excuse seems a bit lame, especially while continuing with the same strategy. It is like jumping off a cliff and breaking your leg and then blaming the cliff... while continuing to jump off cliffs!

Also, IMHO, the past year was probably Polestar 2's best chance at establishing itself - with just Tesla with its share of supply/production issues as competition. And unfortunately, it wasted it. Going forward, with Koreans and VW going to flood the market with dedicated competitive EVs, I doubt Polestar 2's market share is going to get any better.

Also PHEV is not BEV.

Does that even matter? The top of the all the lists I posted is dominated by BEVs. And me posting a BEV only list is not going to automagically increase the number of Polestars sold. The sales will still be dismal. Forum banter is not going to change that harsh reality. Acknowledging the reality, OTOH might be a start.

My 2c - Geely tried to pull fast one by putting lipstick (admittedly, very good lipstick) on an ICE pig. Market didn't go for it. As well learn from it, and do it right the next time.

 

[klier]

Interesting to see not even an EQC in that German top 20, only the GLC300e PHEV
And now EQ is coming with a very expensive BEV no-one can afford. Okay.....

Sorry for the off topic.

 

[Levi68]

My 2c - Geely tried to pull fast one by putting lipstick (admittedly, very good lipstick) on an ICE pig. Market didn't go for it. As well learn from it, and do it right the next time.

It is not Polestar related, but what about the Jaguar I-Pace? Ground-up BEV, (subjectively) better looking than Tesla Y, got everything right still a failure. Any advice for Jaguar?

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

It is not Polestar related, but what about the Jaguar I-Pace? Ground-up BEV, (subjectively) better looking than Tesla Y, got everything right still a failure. Any advice for Jaguar?

You are forgeting one very important factor-price. Anybody can develop a good EV but the hart thing is to get the costs down so that you can have a competitive price and on top of this to earn money eith it.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Covid was same for everyone and if anything EV sales boomed after the 1st half of last year. So I don't think that makes a valid excuse.

As for the " new brand" thing - someone/group made that call. Instead of an amazingly well established and trusted brand they could have used. Then to turn around and to use that that as an excuse seems a bit lame, especially while continuing with the same strategy. It is like jumping off a cliff and breaking your leg and then blaming the cliff... while continuing to jump off cliffs!

Also, IMHO, the past year was probably Polestar 2's best chance at establishing itself - with just Tesla with its share of supply/production issues as competition. And unfortunately, it wasted it. Going forward, with Koreans and VW going to flood the market with dedicated competitive EVs, I doubt Polestar 2's market share is going to get any better.




Does that even matter? The top of the all the lists I posted is dominated by BEVs. And me posting a BEV only list is not going to automagically increase the number of Polestars sold. The sales will still be dismal. Forum banter is not going to change that harsh reality. Acknowledging the reality, OTOH might be a start.

My 2c - Geely tried to pull fast one by putting lipstick (admittedly, very good lipstick) on an ICE pig. Market didn't go for it. As well learn from it, and do it right the next time.

I agree with many points you’re making just not the ICE pig argument. I’ve driven it and the car is really good! But that’s my opinion - hence why I stated the review wins over Tesla and the other BEVs. I just don’t think it’s the product. Is it the brand? Not enough marketing? I don’t know. Should they even be selling more than they are?

 

[klier]

I just don’t think it’s the product. Is it the brand? Not enough marketing? I don’t know. Should they even be selling more than they are?

I agree. And over here in Holland I see a lot of them. We here know how to find it. It's a nice car. But the Ionic 5 will take over completely in every possible way.