S-Class W223 Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W223) Facelift 2024

[Merc1]

Ah, so now you’ve driven them too — just not paying attention to the very thing being discussed. Thanks for confirming exactly why your input holds no weight here.


My claim was based specifically on real-world fuel comparison under load — something you admit you weren’t even monitoring. That’s not a counterpoint. That’s absence of data.


You keep saying “majority” like it’s a shield. But majority ≠ truth. Especially when it comes from people reading specs instead of driving in real conditions.


You’re done, I’m done. Go argue with someone who mistakes consensus for knowledge.

I didn’t make the claim. Like what part of that don’t you get? Your claim is based on your experience and the testers claims are based on theirs. You can’t spin or invalidate it. Testers are not reading metrics, they experienced them. You fail again. I said from the start TESTERS NOT ME, say different. Your reading comprehension is shot. Try again. You can’t invalidate others testing based on yours.

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[mr.Mister]

I didn’t make the claim. Like what part of that don’t you get? Your claim is based on your experience and the testers claims are based on theirs. You can’t spin or invalidate it. Testers are not reading metrics, they experienced them. You fail again. I said from the start TESTERS NOT ME, say different. Your reading comprehension is shot. Try again. You can’t invalidate others testing based on yours.

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You keep shouting “I didn’t make the claim” like it means something. No one said you did — but you’ve made it your full-time job to discredit mine, while contributing exactly nothing of your own.

And yes — I get that you're quoting testers. That’s been your entire fallback from the start. The issue is that you treat their experience as absolute truth, while mocking any firsthand account that doesn't align with it.

That’s not critical thinking. That’s parroting.

If your best argument is still “try again,” then maybe take your own advice — and this time, try engaging with what’s actually said instead of what you want to hear. I won’t repeat myself again.

 

[Swissbob]

That’s a hard one. W140 stands out obviously but I think the W126 and W222 were the strongest upon there intros. Driving wise the W222 or W126.

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Thank you very much.

 

[klier]

Ah dammit... those kids with cancer really needed that 20 € too...

You could have said you'd give your house away to charity and still be able to go to bed no worries.

 

[Merc1]

You keep shouting “I didn’t make the claim” like it means something. No one said you did — but you’ve made it your full-time job to discredit mine, while contributing exactly nothing of your own.

And yes — I get that you're quoting testers. That’s been your entire fallback from the start. The issue is that you treat their experience as absolute truth, while mocking any firsthand account that doesn't align with it.

That’s not critical thinking. That’s parroting.

If your best argument is still “try again,” then maybe take your own advice — and this time, try engaging with what’s actually said instead of what you want to hear. I won’t repeat myself again.

Then if I didn’t make the claim why are you telling me that actual testers are invalid? The problem is that you treat your experience like absolute truth. It isn’t. Nor is it relevant beyond you. Soon as you get that you’ll be ok. I bet you will because you’re triggered. Your case for Mercedes not needing an I6 in the S has failed.

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[Merc1]

Thank you very much.

What about you?

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[mr.Mister]

Then if I didn’t make the claim why are you telling me that actual testers are invalid? The problem is that you treat your experience like absolute truth. It isn’t. Nor is it relevant beyond you. Soon as you get that you’ll be ok. I bet you will because you’re triggered. Your case for Mercedes not needing an I6 in the S has failed.

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No one said testers are invalid — only that they’re not sacred. That’s the nuance you keep missing.

I never claimed my experience was universal. I said it exists, and it’s valid. You just can’t stand that it contradicts what you’ve read — because without other people’s opinions, you’ve got nothing to say.

You’ve spent half this thread projecting, the other half repeating yourself. It’s been noted.

And no — I’m not “triggered.” I’m just bored. You lost the plot a dozen posts ago.

 

[klier]

Your case for Mercedes not needing an I6 in the S has failed.

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BMW doesn't even offer a V8 in Europe, that's how much an I6 is needed. 100% sure the vast vast majority of S class sold in the EU are I6. MB doesn't seem to publicly break down sales numbers on engine types.

 

[Merc1]

No one said testers are invalid — only that they’re not sacred. That’s the nuance you keep missing.

I never claimed my experience was universal. I said it exists, and it’s valid. You just can’t stand that it contradicts what you’ve read — because without other people’s opinions, you’ve got nothing to say.

You’ve spent half this thread projecting, the other half repeating yourself. It’s been noted.

And no — I’m not “triggered.” I’m just bored. You lost the plot a dozen posts ago.

And neither is your experience. That’s what you aren’t getting. It’s only your experience. I said that your experience goes against the majority of testing. It doesn’t make the case for not having an I6 S Class. Then if that’s the case why are you here? Try harder. You just repeated yourself.

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[mr.Mister]

BMW doesn't even offer a V8 in Europe, that's how much an I6 is needed. 100% sure the vast vast majority of S class sold in the EU are I6. MB doesn't seem to publicly break down sales numbers on engine types.

That's true. However, not because they wouldn't be desirable or suit the car better, but because of Brussels bureaucracy regarding CO2 downsizing, shared CO2 quotas in manufacturers' portfolios, etc.
As i said I6/V6 in an S-Class are for housemaids. A true Sonderklasse/7er starts with a propper V8.
What will happen if they stop producing them? Simple: we will keep driving older models.

 

[Swissbob]

What about you?

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I’ve owned(own) 126,140,220,221,217, my favorites are the 140 and the 217(because I love convertibles).

I haven’t driven the 222 and 223 yet.

 

[mr.Mister]

And neither is your experience. That’s what you aren’t getting. It’s only your experience. I said that your experience goes against the majority of testing. It doesn’t make the case for not having an I6 S Class. Then if that’s the case why are you here? Try harder. You just repeated yourself.

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If your only argument is that my experience is “just mine” and contradicts the majority, then I’m done here.

You’re free to believe whatever “majority testing” you want — I’ve shared what I’ve lived.

If that’s not enough for you, no amount of repeating will change it.

I’m not here to convince you or anyone else. This conversation has reached its natural end.
But hey, keep trying to win an argument with Google and hearsay — it must be exhausting.

 

[Merc1]

If your only argument is that my experience is “just mine” and contradicts the majority, then I’m done here.

You’re free to believe whatever “majority testing” you want — I’ve shared what I’ve lived.

If that’s not enough for you, no amount of repeating will change it.

I’m not here to convince you or anyone else. This conversation has reached its natural end.
But hey, keep trying to win an argument with Google and hearsay — it must be exhausting.

Then why are u here? I said your experience doesn’t negate theirs. It’s really just that simple. You clearly are here for that very reason. Nope magazine test data is not hearsay. If that’s the case what you’re saying is hearsay because there is nothing showing but your words. Try again.

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[mr.Mister]

Then why are u here? I said your experience doesn’t negate theirs. It’s really just that simple. You clearly are here for that very reason. Nope magazine test data is not hearsay. If that’s the case what you’re saying is hearsay because there is nothing showing but your words. Try again.

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Why am I here? To contribute real-world experience — something you clearly don’t value unless it’s printed in a magazine you can hide behind.

You keep pretending I claimed my experience “negates” others. I never said that. I said it exists — and your obsession with discrediting it proves how fragile your stance actually is.

At this point, you’re not defending facts. You’re defending your ego. And frankly, it’s not going well.

 

[klier]

That's true. However, not because they wouldn't be desirable or suit the car better, but because of Brussels bureaucracy regarding CO2 downsizing, shared CO2 quotas in manufacturers' portfolios, etc.

Well yeah, from an environmental standpoint, a 6 cylinder is generally better. Less CO2 and less consumption. These are simple basic facts.

Desirability has little to do with it, of course a V8 is more desirable in such a car. And a V12 would make it even better.

As i said I6/V6 in an S-Class are for housemaids. A true Sonderklasse/7er starts with a propper V8.

What a stupid elitist way to view things.

 

[Merc1]

Why am I here? To contribute real-world experience — something you clearly don’t value unless it’s printed in a magazine you can hide behind.

You keep pretending I claimed my experience “negates” others. I never said that. I said it exists — and your obsession with discrediting it proves how fragile your stance actually is.

At this point, you’re not defending facts. You’re defending your ego. And frankly, it’s not going well.

You gave your experience, it doesn’t match others experience. So now what? You have failed to invalidate other experiences and also to make a case as to why a 6-cylinders S shouldn’t exists. Your turn. You have been leaving for a while and failing.

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[Swissbob]

BMW doesn't even offer a V8 in Europe, that's how much an I6 is needed. 100% sure the vast vast majority of S class sold in the EU are I6. MB doesn't seem to publicly break down sales numbers on engine types.

Which is a mistake, I think the 760 V8 and the non hybrid 740 are the best engines for this car.

I guess you’re right regarding the I6 sales of the S-Class.

 

[mr.Mister]

Which is a mistake, I think the 760 V8 and the non hybrid 740 are the best engines for this car.

I guess you’re right regarding the I6 sales of the S-Class.

The V12 in the 7er (M760Li) is the best engine.
Just like with BMW and Mercedes — the V12 is already gone (except Maybach680).
So what now? Nothing. We'll just drive old school
Like I do, for example: a 911 as a daily, and a V12 S-Class for business meetings and long trips.
That’s just how it is... the car industry is going down the drain anyway with all this electric crap.
So, it’s worth collecting as many interesting and beautiful old-school pieces as possible — their value will only rise over time, especially during this absurd wave of electrification.

 

[mr.Mister]

She did, and she was.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ah, intellectual pedigree explains a lot.
Too bad wit isn’t hereditary.
Carry on. ¯\(ツ)/¯

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Jesus f#cking Christ. What the hell happened!?