Taycan [Official] Porsche Taycan
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The Porsche Taycan is a battery electric luxury sports sedan and shooting brake car produced by Porsche.
Design FIRST
Cornering Connoisseur
Leaps and bounds in progress and improvement have been made with the J1.2 electric toolkit. And when that is finally retired, come perhaps 2028, the "genuine" second gen Taycan with the SSP Sport toolkit (as it is currently being referred to) should be absolutely mindblowing. In terms of performance, refinement, efficiency, charging times and range. Yeah, price too, I'm afraid.
Jonathan19
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Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
Jesus Christ that's quick!
Design FIRST
Cornering Connoisseur
This is really quite the masterpiece of an EV. Immensely impressive, gloriously excessive.
Although the Taycan has been around for quite some time now and has become rather commonplace on the roads, I still always enjoy the sight of one. But somehow, I can't "get into" that "Weissach Edition Package". A "regular" Turbo GT, tastefully equipped, remains elegant and refined. But really, the base rwd Taycan is really impressive enough. And anything over the 4S would be, I suppose, a "bragging rights" choice.
Well, this may appeal to only some of you (and is very much in line with what you have stated) as you ought be fluent in German but this so-called "Supertest" from the German Magazine "Auto, Motor & Sport" on the face-lifted RWD Taycan (a thorough review of 47 minutes) is interesting in as much as it concludes that it is the best BEV you can currently buy, high praise indeed (and the reviewer discusses the price tag)...
Design FIRST
Cornering Connoisseur
Indeed. Alex Bloch appears to be immensely impressed. He is one of the most tech-savvy German-language automotive journalists. The test criteria was comprehensive and his few criticisms were often, as he mentioned, more subjective in nature. He doesn't care for the new 21" Aero rims. He says the visual impression of standard equipment interior materials could be a bit more elegant. And the test cars low roll resistence e-tires slightly compromised the cars handling. And deep potholes on very poor roads transmitted some jarring jolts (the test car did not have Porsches new PASM option). And of course, the eternal issue of exorbitant option prices. But otherwise, an absolutely glowing review for perhaps not only the best BEV, but one of the very best cars PERIOD.Well, this may appeal to only some of you (and is very much in line with what you have stated) as you ought be fluent in German but this so-called "Supertest" from the German Magazine "Auto, Motor & Sport" on the face-lifted RWD Taycan (a thorough review of 47 minutes) is interesting in as much as it concludes that it is the best BEV you can currently buy, high praise indeed (and the reviewer discusses the price tag)...
AndreB
Porsche Perfektionist
Well its a 120k EUR car so he better be impressed, but after massive depreciation of previous model the vastly improved facelift is not selling well.
Not many buyers will chose the Taycan over a BMW i4 that offers 70% ride and handling for half price plus it has OTA, better app and infotainment.
Also the lack of software updates on previous model since the launch of J1.2 is concerning. Porsche treat EVs as their ICE cars which is totally wrong.
Design FIRST
Cornering Connoisseur
At least pertaining to the Taycans home market, there currently appear to be NO durable consumer goods that are selling well. The only thing that appears to be disturbingly "durable" is the economic recession.
Yes, that is unacceptable.
Usually I agree with your posts, but would remark that the Taycan sales are not going down as drastically as you suggest. I thought it was rather interesting that the Taycan sales are performing reasonably well within it's segment in Germany (the largest European market) given the general downturn in the market.
Looking at the KBA statistics released today, 384 Taycans were newly registered (this is 19.2% down from last year (2080 newly registered since January)) but the entire segment was down 41.7%. It was the 2nd best selling vehicle in it's class after the Mercedes S class. So how did it's competitors fare in Germany? The Tesla Model S (I know, it is rather long in the tooth), well, 12x new Model S's were registered in August (268 since January), that is 72.1% down from last year (other Tesla models (in other segments) took even larger hits with the Model 3 being down 80.7% from last year despite the facelift there with 389 Model 3s being sold). The Lucid Air was registered 13 times as new (86 since January). The Lotus Emeya was registered 3x times in August (15 in total since March (when it was introduced onto the German market)). The Nio ET7 was registered 14x times as new in August (101 since January). Audi's Etron registered 36 new vehicle registrations (78.8% down from last year). I should add that the S-class (that I think includes both BEVs & ICEs) with 404 new registrations, 34% down from last year, was the best selling vehicle in it's class.
So, within it's segment (not outside it's segment) it sold ok (as a side remark, it sold better in August than the 911 with 238x new registrations (unusual (as this is usually the other way around and we are comparing apples with oranges here...)).
Fastpaddy
Tarmac Traveler
New model sells drastically less than outgoing long in the tooth model.
Yeah that’s a sales failure
People dont want EV’s
AndreB
Porsche Perfektionist
Not many people are buying the facelift because of high depreciation of first model which wasn't fully baked by Porsche.
Also it's too expensive, a base spec looks like an i4 inside, adding full leather and some tech stuff it's 120k for a small car, competitors like i5, EQS, i7 are better on many aspects.
However my Taycan leaves everyone impressed, insanely quick and handles almost like a 911.
People want affordable EV's and reliable charging, ICE cars are only good for long trips if someone doesn't like waiting to charge, only sports or super cars are still exciting.
As I had said above, yes, the Taycan sales dropped compared to last years sales (by 19%) but I don't think the facelift is not selling it is holding up well in the circumstances. What circumstances you may ask? One has to see this in the context of the overall sales figures in Germany in August, not just the Taycan's segment dropped by 41.7% (and all direct competitors sell considerably less) and the overall BEV car sales in Germany dropped by a staggering 69% and indeed the overall car sales, that includes ICEs & Hybrids, dropped by 28%. So the sweeping statement that it is just BEVs that are not selling is not true but their ICE alternatives are struggling as well, for example, BMW's overall sales were down by 23%, the 3 series dropped by 26%, the 4 series (which I suspect includes the i4 figures) dropped by 28% over last years registrations.
If people wanted to just buy affordable EVs, why is the least expensive Tesla, the Model 3, that was just facelifted, dropping sales by a staggering 80.7%, the next Tesla Model up, the Model Y (that is manufactured in Germany near Berlin) had dropped sales by 59.2%, the Model X by 76% (Tesla overall dropped 66%)?
Main point being, the market contracted notably in August in Germany.
https://www.kba.de/DE/Presse/Presse...3504038&yearFilter=2024&monthFilter=08_August
https://www.carscoops.com/2024/09/german-car-sales-plunge-in-august-as-ev-slump-worsens/
Design FIRST
Cornering Connoisseur
The rapid progression of technical innovation will obviously accelerate the pace of obsolesence. This is but one problem that is currently plaguing BEVs as well as their manufacturers. The Porsche Taycan an example of which. Perhaps if measures were employed that would keep previous-gen BEVs relatively fresh, the issue of massive depreciation could be effectively addressed. Continuing OTA as well as hardware updates for the original J1 for many years to come could be one of those measures. Measures that would accomodate affordable, separate component focused, simple battery repair rather than replacement of the entire battery could help as well.
Fastpaddy
Tarmac Traveler
I have many friends who jumped on the EV bandwagon, once the novelty wore off most sold their cars after 6 months and went back to performance ICE.
EV’s are just quite frankly boring to drive, regardless of how fast they are.
Even rimac couldnt even sell their 50 car limited production allocation because people just dont want EV’s.
Design FIRST
Cornering Connoisseur
For dyed-in-the-wool "PETROLheads" that enjoy the aural reward offered in ICE vehicles and take their cars to closed circuits regularly, I can appreciate the BEVs may be "boring". But for others, they are not. Instant torque and refinement are characteristics of BEVs that can fascinate many. A more recent "wheel time" encounter with a SMART #1 BRABUS left me very, very impressed. I was also left fascinated by a KIA EV6 "loaner" that I had for one day. And even an older electric SMART Fortwo, which I also had for a day as a "loaner", put a smile on my face. But hey, that is just me. But imagine that I am not alone.
AndreB
Porsche Perfektionist
Agree EV sales dropped across all brands due to general economic situation, high number of used cars on the market and early adopters are saturated.
However this graph shows that BMW EVs did very well in July.
I'm in the other team, prefer to drive EV daily and a performance ICE in weekends. Its annoying to hear a nosy engine after a busy day.
Mr. Mercedes
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Yup. After 2 Taycans I was happily back in an ICE M4.
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