1 Series [Spy Shots] BMW 1 Series (F70)

[Cabasse0]

Does not look beautiful :

 

[klier]

Does not look beautiful :

Looks almost as ugly as the previous (which makes sense because it's the exact same car), but the snout seems less piggy so there's that.

Still looks like a mini MPV

 

[Rolf]

The front end styling of the current 1 series is its main weakness, if they improve the shape of lights and grill then the 1 series is within a chance of improving its market share, but the competition is just too much in this segment.

 

[SaltkjelenBMW]

Even the ugly F20 pre-LCI front facia outsold the FWD-bastard 1-series. The sales of the 1er is down year by year, and it escalated when the F40 was introduced. I wonder when BMW will realize that they did some really bad moves to the brand (the removal of iDrive-controller, light signature, RWD, six cylinders).

BMW 1-Series Sales Figures

Automotive Sales Data and Statistics

www.goodcarbadcar.net

 

[SCOTT27]

Even the ugly F20 pre-LCI front facia outsold the FWD-bastard 1-series. The sales of the 1er is down year by year, and it escalated when the F40 was introduced. I wonder when BMW will realize that they did some really bad moves to the brand (the removal of iDrive-controller, light signature, RWD, six cylinders).

Yes but the X1/2 Active Tourer increases their share on the market. The C-Segment, which is totally dominated by SUV’s and Crossovers.

I would not be surprised if in a few years the c-segment hatch entire segment is decimated as some manufacturers are.
As seen in the D and E segments.
Surprisingly this is progress.

 

[Matski]

Even the ugly F20 pre-LCI front facia outsold the FWD-bastard 1-series. The sales of the 1er is down year by year, and it escalated when the F40 was introduced.

Good Car Bad Car's data is pretty hopeless for analysing this, in fairness BMW's reporting and the changing of model designations don't help.

E8x gen 1 series figures include a Coupe, and a Convertible, and a 3-door. F4x 1-er do not.
Pre-LCI F2x gen 1 series figures included E8x Coupe and Convertible.
Post-LCI F2x gen 1 series figures include FWD F52 1-series, some F40 figures will as well, but I believe F52 has been replaced by 2GC in all markets now so F40 no longer includes a 4dr.

Unfortunately it's not as simple as deducted 2-series figures, since the 2-series has for two generations included models that were never badged as a 1 series (i.e. 2AT/2GT).

Peak 1 series was 2009, of the 225k sold only 123k (54%) of those are analogous to the current 1 series offering. And predictably, that was before people had the X1 as an option.

Bottom line, F40 probably is the worst selling 1 series, like for like, and that's likely in no small part due to the rise of the X1/X2 (BMW's second best selling model range, which is neither RWD nor 6 cylinder powered BTW), and the removal of all but one body style from the range, but if you want to back it up with numbers, Good Car Bad Car is shit source to use.

 

[SaltkjelenBMW]

Yes but the X1/2 Active Tourer increases their share on the market. The C-Segment, which is totally dominated by SUV’s and Crossovers.

I would not be surprised if in a few years the c-segment hatch entire segment is decimated as some manufacturers are.
As seen in the D and E segments.
Surprisingly this is progress.

I think the X1 and 2AT would be a great hit still with RWD/xDrive (and a six cylinder engine under the hood). I had 2AT, 2GT, X1 FWD, 1er FWD and 2GC as loaner many times, and they are just terrible to drive. I have many friends and colleagues that had 1er RWD as a second car, but they didn´t buy a new 1er when it was FWD-based - most of them went over to the RWD i3. I´m on my 4th i3 (i3 60Ah, i3 94Ah LCI, i3S 94Ah and i3S 120Ah), and looking for the fifth one. I hope BMW will keep RWD for the new i1, but I'm afraid it won´t. An FWD based EV is even worse to drive than an FWD ICE.

 

[klier]

I hope BMW will keep RWD for the new i1, but I'm afraid it won´t. An FWD based EV is even worse to drive than an FWD ICE.

Why would it be FWD if it's an EV?

 

[SKY]

If I had to bet, I would say both the 1er and 2er GC will be axed at some point and their replacement will be a production version of the concept we saw a couple of years back.

 

[SaltkjelenBMW]

Why would it be FWD if it's an EV?

Rumors of the upcoming electric baby BMW.

 

[klier]

Rumors of the upcoming electric baby BMW.

Why are the rumors pointing towards a FWD EV? Makes zero sense.

If I had to bet, I would say both the 1er and 2er GC will be axed at some point and their replacement will be a production version of the concept we saw a couple of years back.

The two worst Bimmers down in one fell swoop. Hell yeah

 

[dalab]

There are no rumors of a "FWD" EV, only rumors of a small EV, (from what I read), it is not even said that it will be the circular one, although it would be the obvious thing.

As I said, given the promise of the Tesla model 2, these "circular" rumors began to emerge, now that that Tesla was cancelled, who knows if that BMW will prosper, having the MINI EV and with the goal of more up market luxury cars

 

[SaltkjelenBMW]

Why are the rumors pointing towards a FWD EV? Makes zero sense.

You're right. It makes zero sense to have it as FWD (like all other cars from BMW - "sheer driving pleasure"), but its BMW we talking about. The new MINI EV is FWD.

BMW i1 Due In 2027, i2 In 2028 As Entry-Level EVs: Report

A reputable BMW insider claims the i1 and i2 will ride on the Neue Klasse platform and will be assembled in Germany. They're apparently codenamed NB0 and NB8.

www.motor1.com

 

[dalab]

Yes, maybe BMW should cancel the super mega successful X1, it is a big mistake to produce it from what I see, they should get better advice and have the approval of some of the GCF members

 

[SaltkjelenBMW]

Yes, maybe BMW should cancel the super mega successful X1, it is a big mistake to produce it from what I see, they should get better advice and have the approval of some of the GCF members

So instead of cancel the successful X1, they could just go back to the RWD-based xDrive as they did in the beginning. If the argue is that the owners of these cars didn´t care about the drivetrain, they could just make it as RWD-based since the traditional BMW buyers do care about it.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

So instead of cancel the successful X1, they could just go back to the RWD-based xDrive as they did in the beginning. If the argue is that the owners of these cars didn´t care about the drivetrain, they could just make it as RWD-based since the traditional BMW buyers do care about it.

RWD ICE cars have packaging issues due to the need for a transmission tunnel. In a small car interior volume is at a premium, which is why they opt for FWD, to maximise rear passenger occupant space.


That having been said... Not sure what happens when you factor AWD into it, but I assume packaging an on-demand AWD system that is front biased, would cause less packaging issues than one based on a rear biased system.

As for rumours of a FWD EV? Well who knows. Again I can only imagine it's to maximise rear boot space? Beyond that though it's just dumb, because a rear motor is tiny.

 

[dalab]

If the argue is that the owners of these cars didn´t care about the drivetrain, they could just make it as RWD-based since the traditional BMW buyers do care about it.

There were two important reasons as I remember, economies of scale due to Mini and if, as you say, no one cared (or only four crazy cats cared), well, I understand that the FWD is cheaper and more practical in terms of space. .

To clarify, I was upset when I found out, but in pros and cons, it is clear why they did it, I care less and less, I drive slower every day, and there are more radars than cars around here

 

[manuelf]

The new MINI EV is FWD.

But it isn't a BEV only platform!?

 

[klier]

But it isn't a BEV only platform!?

Yeah I believe it is. The ICE Mini is on the old ICE ULK2 platform, the new EV one on a Chinese EV platform.

 

[DJ0nes]

This design language is so exhausted.

Not sure why BMW has not waited a couple more years to give this car the NK treatment.

I wouldn't say so. I just can't get enough of this design.