klier
Premium
Comparison tests 2014 BMW M3/M4 vs Rivals
- Thread starter Zafiro
- Start date
Throttle response is the key difference between the M4 and C63 which is understandable since one's forced and the other isn't and when you combine this with the exhaust note made by the C63 means if you have a pulse it's the one which is going to pull on your heart strings. But this engine is all but in the grave it's a dinosaur in a world which has moved on so I agree the 4.0V8 will be a great engine and will probably be as good as the one in the M4 but by default will mean its not really as good as that big NA one it's replacing.
One thing I don't doubt Mercedes will get right is the noise.
P.S.
I honestly expected the M4 to have the superior steering but still no.
LaArtist
Wunderkind of Wheels
lool it lost against the C63 which is about to be changed in a couple of weeks..
Funtimes
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
I take it M4 would lose against M3 E92 as well. Thats the impression I get when I hear Steve in this review.lool it lost against the C63 which is about to be changed in a couple of weeks..
Funtimes
LaArtist
Wunderkind of Wheels
LaArtist
Wunderkind of Wheels
^ yeah well there is nothing they can do about that? ( or thats what the man likes us to believe)
Is it not so that a manufacturer has a certain fleet goal when it comes to pollution, so all the damn cars BMW sell with turbos and small kind diesel engines and now the i cars.. does that not add up so they can go NA on the M cars?
But still if it really is so that they have to go turbo, couldn't it be done better? there are turbo cars out there with pretty damn sharp throttles and pretty good sounding to..not NA good..but still good
example:
So you sad that they couldn't execute the bi turbo better?
PS
Didn't he say that the steering was better in the C63 to? that must be a bit saddening?
Is it not so that a manufacturer has a certain fleet goal when it comes to pollution, so all the damn cars BMW sell with turbos and small kind diesel engines and now the i cars.. does that not add up so they can go NA on the M cars?
But still if it really is so that they have to go turbo, couldn't it be done better? there are turbo cars out there with pretty damn sharp throttles and pretty good sounding to..not NA good..but still good
example:
So you sad that they couldn't execute the bi turbo better?
PS
Didn't he say that the steering was better in the C63 to? that must be a bit saddening?
Sunny
Premium
^I am not a big fan of the way AMG turbo V8s sound. It is just big rumbling exhaust noise. I like to hear induction noise and wale of a high revving engine. Yes, the AMG turbos have better sounding exhaust stock than the M ones in that very limited sense, but the exhaust noise is easily fixed. Beyond the exhaust noise, I think I will find the higher revving nature of M turbo engines more satisfying. But purely speculation because I haven't experienced any of them.
As for steering, yes, it is disappointing if it sucks. I guess again a by product of electrical steering in the new car but by most accounts it is better than previous ones which was hydraulic.
As for steering, yes, it is disappointing if it sucks. I guess again a by product of electrical steering in the new car but by most accounts it is better than previous ones which was hydraulic.
martinbo
Staff member
The C63 AMG already had far better steering feel than the E92 M3. I didn't get at all excited by the glassy feel of my favourite car's helm.
As for AMG doing bi-turbocharging well, you can't argue with that; they just do. The only thing to see is whether AMG will be able to liberate more engine RPM and whether they'll still fit the outdated MCT (which is not a bloody dual clutch transmission as you suggest, Steve) to the new C63 AMG.
At the end of it all, nothing much will change. You'll have the very good M3/M4 from BMW and the equally good C63 AMG from Mercedes Benz and along with this all you'll still have the Internet fanboys arguing into a frenzy as to why one is way better than the other. Some things change and others stay the same.
As for AMG doing bi-turbocharging well, you can't argue with that; they just do. The only thing to see is whether AMG will be able to liberate more engine RPM and whether they'll still fit the outdated MCT (which is not a bloody dual clutch transmission as you suggest, Steve) to the new C63 AMG.
At the end of it all, nothing much will change. You'll have the very good M3/M4 from BMW and the equally good C63 AMG from Mercedes Benz and along with this all you'll still have the Internet fanboys arguing into a frenzy as to why one is way better than the other. Some things change and others stay the same.
Beemer B773ER
Tire Trailblazer
LaArtist
Wunderkind of Wheels
Im not a fan either, but as far as turbo engines go on this side of hyper cars i still think its the best sound. But obviously it has nothing on NA engines, which i think AMG did better than M when it came to sound on NAs..
Now is it really that easy to fix? i have not heard a Aftermarket exahust for the M5 that sounds great..and its turbo..and been out for a while.
When you say high revving do you mean the 1000 rpm more than AMGs cause it is 6500 vs 7500 rpm right?
its not excuse anymore that its electrical steering, when it has been perfected in other cars like the GT3..
Its like the excuse of break regeneration on these hybrid hyper cars.. Mclaren claimed you cant have a good break feel with that system so they went hydraulic.. while Ferrari just proved it can be done..hence one of the reasons of p1 running out of juice way before the lafer..
I hope they update the gearbox to..along the whole line up.. ( i think the new box will be fitted to the AMG GT to start with)
Well things have changed, they have changed for sure. Once the M5 and M3 were undisputed ( E39 and E46 era and before).
If i told you guys one day the C amg will have better steering feel than the M car..and be near an inch of its performance on and off track.. you would have laughed.
The philosphy of M products which you all ( read bmw fans) loved so much has shifted towards what was traditionally AMG territory..while AMG has shifted towards what was once Ms forte.
So surely things change
Beemer B773ER
Tire Trailblazer
So following that logic, if you were an AMG fan in the past, you now are/will be an M fan, correct?
Sunny
Premium
Akrapovic exhaust for both 1M and M5 sound good as far exhaust sounds go and in fact even sounds a bit like a high revving engine than a rumbling V8. Even new M3/M4 stock exhaust sounds good from what I can make of Youtube videos when reved just not at idle or low revs.
I am not just talking redline. I am talking power delivery at upper end. M157 runs out of steam little above 5k vs S63Tu stays strong till a good 7K. http://www.germancarforum.com/commu...pp-w212-speed-battle.48300/page-4#post-623483
And most reviewers say it is not as good as the hydraulic one in previous GT3. While they say steering in this M3 is better than the one in previous M3.
Not to go OT, but do you have substantial proof to back "p1 running out of juice way before the lafer.."? if you do, I would be very interested to read it, post in the hypercar comparison thread.
LaArtist
Wunderkind of Wheels
[/QUOTE]
Akrapovic sounds ok.. not more imo.
ah i gotcha with the power delivery makes more sense.
The last m3s steering was not much to write home about..
No i dont have any proof on that, other than i think this is the reason for mclaren being so secretive with the n ring time..i think the sector time added is below that of 918. I really think it runs out of juice over a 20 + km lap of N ring..
Also in the jay leno video it ran out of juice, i dont know why tough..but it seemed he drove it alot in hybrid mode, but then when he went electric it ran out pretty fast and went back to hybrid.. ( but then again that could have been recorded and edited in many ways, maybe it was out of juice due to hard driving before he went all electric..idk)
All i know is its not full on 900+ hp all day every day like the Lafer. I dont think it harvests enough energy to be able to do that.
Time will tell
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
Come on, now you being harsh. It might not be the best but it certainly wasn't bad either. Maybe bmw should get the crew from Ford because the steering in Fiesta ST is excellent.
Similar threads
