Mirai [Official] Toyota Mirai 2021


The Toyota Mirai is a mid-size hydrogen fuel cell vehicle (FCV) manufactured by Toyota, and is the first FCV to be mass-produced and sold commercially.
Hydrogen fuel cars , the "new" ( old ) rotary engine cars . Dead , but still alive, but still dead...

Infrastructure is a big NO. For most people.

Comparing them to EVs is stupid. Because an EV gets it's juice from everywhere. As for hydrogen...

Toyota & others can make 2000km range , and still be useless , if you can't get fuel...
 
2017 Klier: Lol cant even lap the nurburgring - a tractor can do that
2021 Klier: We dont need 900hp performance and 2.1s performance.

How much has changed in so little time.

Still can't lap the Nurburgring more than a round before going completely limb, and likely the new one won't be able to do that neither...
My point still stands, rather have a car able to lap the Ring more than a round, than a car that car do 0-100 in 2 seconds for two or three times before the battery says NO.

So really, nothing has changed you sad person. Only you have, since you switched to insane Tesla fanboy mode a couple of years ago.
If you want a sedan for the Nurburgring, get an M5 CS.

And btw, we're over 1000 hp now, with less than 2.1 0-100, so no we don't need 900 hp, we apparently need 1000 hp minimum.

Hydrogen fuel cars , the "new" ( old ) rotary engine cars . Dead , but still alive, but still dead...

Infrastructure is a big NO. For most people.

Comparing them to EVs is stupid. Because an EV gets it's juice from everywhere. As for hydrogen...

Toyota & others can make 2000km range , and still be useless , if you can't get fuel...

We can modify every single petrol station in the western world to be able to do get hydrogen before the end of 2021, if we wanted to.
As a matter of fact, it's far easier than putting electric charging stations everywhere. It's a matter of wanting something more than anything.
 
Are there such fuel cells?

Back in 2016, Nissan created an e-NV200 that was powered by an ethanol fuel cell.

A fuel cell system that generates electricity from bioethanol to power a vehicle
e-Bio Fuel-Cell is a fuel cell system that uses bioethanol (100% ethanol or an ethanol-blended water) as a fuel source to generate electricity through the Solid-Oxide Fuel Cell (SOFC). The generated electricity charges the battery which provides power to the vehicle.

Bioethanol is made from resources such as sugar cane and corn. Converting this resource into electrical power emits some CO2. Because the plants that produce these resources absorb CO2 during the growth process, CO2 emitted is offset to achieve a “carbon neutral cycle" that produces zero net CO2 emissions.

In countries where bioethanol is widely used (such as Brazil and Thailand), there is great potential for e-Bio Fuel-Cells within existing infrastructures with few restrictions.

By offering systems that produce electrical power from a variety of fuels to match unique country infrastructures, we can reach a greater numbers of customers. Thus, customers can experience driving pleasure such as start-off linear acceleration and the quiet cabin characteristics of an electric vehicle.

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System operation

A reformer produces hydrogen from bioethanol, and a SOFC stack generates electricity from a reaction between the hydrogen and oxygen (air) in the stack. The generated electricity is stored in the on-board battery which supplies electricity to an electric motor to drive the vehicle.
The heat that is generated during power generation is reused in the generation of hydrogen.

A SOFC features high power generation efficiency and can achieve about the same cruising distances as conventional gasoline engine vehicles.

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System mechanism

Because a SOFC generates electricity from the movement of oxygen ions inside an electrolyte, it is possible to generate electricity from any fuel that reacts with oxygen, and can also generate electricity from low-purity hydrogen. Further, this technology makes it possible to design compact on-board SOFC systems.
Along with ethanol, a wide range of other fuels, such as natural gas, can be a fuel source.
SOFC systems operate at high temperatures, thus making rare metals or other highly active catalysts unnecessary.

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Source: Nissan Global: e-Bio Fuel-Cell

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Back in 2016, Nissan created an e-NV200 that was powered by an ethanol fuel cell.



Source: Nissan Global: e-Bio Fuel-Cell

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So the very fuel cell is still working with hydrogen, the difference is that this system is equipped with a reformer that produces the hydrogen from ethanol.
 
Still can't lap the Nurburgring more than a round before going completely limb, and likely the new one won't be able to do that neither...
My point still stands, rather have a car able to lap the Ring more than a round, than a car that car do 0-100 in 2 seconds for two or three times before the battery says NO.

So really, nothing has changed you sad person. Only you have, since you switched to insane Tesla fanboy mode a couple of years ago.
If you want a sedan for the Nurburgring, get an M5 CS.

And btw, we're over 1000 hp now, with less than 2.1 0-100, so no we don't need 900 hp, we apparently need 1000 hp minimum.



We can modify every single petrol station in the western world to be able to do get hydrogen before the end of 2021, if we wanted to.
As a matter of fact, it's far easier than putting electric charging stations everywhere. It's a matter of wanting something more than anything.
Where would all the hydrogen be coming from?
 
We can modify every single petrol station in the western world to be able to do get hydrogen before the end of 2021, if we wanted to.
As a matter of fact, it's far easier than putting electric charging stations everywhere. It's a matter of wanting something more than anything.
No , it's not . The energy required to make Hydrogen is way bigger than to put it right into a battery.

It's like charging a battery pack with only wireless coil for others to use.

Too much energy waste.

To make 1kg of Hydrogen , it takes around 50kWh of electricity , and around 10 litres of water.

To me , this looks stupid.

Mirai consumes 0.76kg/100km.

An average Tesla consumes around 12kWh / 100km

Mirai around 40kWh/100km + 10 litres of water , Tesla 12kWh/100km and 3 hours of Netflix
 
Hydrogen fuel cars , the "new" ( old ) rotary engine cars . Dead , but still alive, but still dead...

Infrastructure is a big NO. For most people.

Comparing them to EVs is stupid. Because an EV gets it's juice from everywhere. As for hydrogen...

Toyota & others can make 2000km range , and still be useless , if you can't get fuel...

It will come, mostly from the uptake in hydrogen for buses and heavy trucks. Trains will also go hydrogen.
 
No , it's not . The energy required to make Hydrogen is way bigger than to put it right into a battery.

Sure. But give it some time, and that will be sorted out. And when that's done, you can use your car like you use your ICE. Which IMO sounds pretty attractive.
 
Sure. But give it some time, and that will be sorted out. And when that's done, you can use your car like you use your ICE. Which IMO sounds pretty attractive.
So what are those promising approaches to greaty improve energy efficiency for electrolysis?
 
Jeez, do you think I know?



Why don't you go troll somewhere else?
I hoped so cause from what I‘ve seen many of the people supporting hydrogen as the energy of the future have never done any research into hydrogen production, the energy efficiency of the process and the logistics. Considering that we’re undergoing a massive transformation of our energy system this could lead to very costly decisions both financially and for our climate.
 

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