3 Series (G50) [Spy shots] 2027 BMW 3 Series (G50)

[leylandi]

G50

 

[SCOTT27]

The i3 in outline is like a miniature i7.
The rear Hofmeister looks more resolved more like the i7/7 with the sharper cut of the Vision Neue-Klasse and less like the i5/5.

 

[Gor134]

i3 is more cab-forward in design like the i5, but also in proportions (shorter dash-to-axle) so I don't see any i7 in it.

 

[Titot]

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[SCOTT27]

The surfaces shine through in these spy photographs showing a very clean surface wise body. The renders details should be a bit fuller.

 

[Jacke]

The surfaces shine through in these spy photographs showing a very clean surface wise body. The renders details should be a bit fuller.

This is gonna be the best selling sedan ever

 

[Titot]

This is gonna be the best selling sedan ever

And likely to be one of the sexiest traditional three-box sedans ever due to its boxy profile and silhouette.

 

[Gor134]

It'll look amazing. But please BMW... why the useless fixed glass roof

 

[Tuffode]

It'll look amazing. But please BMW... why the useless fixed glass roof

Definitely used data from customers and saw that most people don’t open it. That’s the problem with data driven design, probably the same reason they rid of the iDrive knob. Everyone other than me would use the touchscreen in my G30, no one would go for the knob.

 

[Gor134]

I'm sure there's data that suggests that, but a much more significant data point was likely that these fixed glass roofs are cheaper to manufacture and install, as they need to cut costs wherever they can while trying to uphold quality elsewhere like common touch points etc

 

[klier]

Definitely used data from customers and saw that most people don’t open it.

I believe another reason the OEMS do it to create more headroom in EVs. A folding sunroof would make the ceiling even lower than no sunroof at all. And a non moving glass roof with no headliner/isolation/etc creates the most interior space.

I suppose you can make the glass slide over the actual roof, but that's ugly and would severely affect aero I'd imagine.

 

[Gor134]

Yeah but this isn't an EV this is an ICE car, and the X3 similarly lost the power sunroof as well. It's just a quick cost-cutting method because they saw customers buying Teslas and being wooed by the massive sunroof (even though they ALL complain about the heat it generates in the day)

 

[Tuffode]

I'm sure there's data that suggests that, but a much more significant data point was likely that these fixed glass roofs are cheaper to manufacture and install, as they need to cut costs wherever they can while trying to uphold quality elsewhere like common touch points etc

Yeah I mean obviously it’s because it’s cheaper, but using this data gives them a very reason to do it. I’m sure they wouldn’t have gotten rid of it if everyone used it all the time.

They recently just said they won’t get rid of the volume knob because their data says people use it a lot. Not sure why they need to use data from millions of cars to come to that conclusion, but nothing about the modern German automakers makes sense.

 

[martinbo]

Funny, in nearly 15 years of running 3ers, I’ve probably opened the sunroof a dozen times. I use the iDrive controller and satellite buttons on every trip.

 

[SCOTT27]

You can get a CFRP roof on the current M340i/M340d as an option. Probably the new M350 will offer the option too. Interchanging between the two is probably cheaper from an engineering standpoint?

 

[Gor134]

Funny, in nearly 15 years of running 3ers, I’ve probably opened the sunroof a dozen times.

I used mine all the time on my E90 and still use it a lot on my B8.5. The venting function especially is great on hot days.

 

[Matski]

I pop the tilt on mine if I need more downforce.

 

[Gor134]

I pop the tilt on mine if I need more downforce.

good idea

 

[Mars1965]

Funny, in nearly 15 years of running 3ers, I’ve probably opened the sunroof a dozen times. I use the iDrive controller and satellite buttons on every trip.

Only 10% of the customers in Europe ordered or used the open roof. (Source BMW). I use it +/- 30 times a year. Mostly only tilt. For the rest I have a closed sunscreen/roof. The possibility for not being able to order an open sunroof is not a deal breaker, but I would order one if it would be possible. In other words, no sunroof for me when I can't open it.

I-drive I use every day for the navigation and other stuf in the menu. Never use the display with my fingers.

 

[Tuffode]

Only 10% of the customers in Europe ordered or used the open roof. (Source BMW). I use it +/- 30 times a year. Mostly only tilt. For the rest I have a closed sunscreen/roof. The possibility for not being able to order an open sunroof is not a deal breaker, but I would order one if it would be possible. In other words, no sunroof for me when I can't open it.

I-drive I use every day for the navigation and other stuf in the menu. Never use the display with my fingers.

Same here, I only use the tilt if anything. Here in the US almost all BMWs come with a sunroof, I have never even owned a BMW without a sunroof. I'm jealous of my friends E39 "slicktop".