Cadillac CT4 [Spy Shots] Cadillac CT4 Spied

[asrapid1]

Regarding Cadillac.

John Galt mentioned interior of Escalade. I've read on other forums ("info" ,"rumors", or whatever you call it) that it will look as something special.

Now since Escalade is Cadillac flagship i think it could have very nice top of the line interior..
But since new Escalade is coming in 2020 or 2021 comparing it to present S class is not a good thing. GM did that with CT6 (they were talking about beating an S class , a W 221) and then when new S class came (w222) before CT6 was presented they said that CT6 isn't a competitor to S class. And also S class and Escalade aren't the same class of vehicle.


New S class (W223) is coming in 2020 if i remember.
Regarding CT5 and CT4. I think interior will be much better than ATS (that is not an impressive interior and not hard to beat IMO).Maybe they even make it as good as the best in class. It is possible. Problem is Cadillac doesn't have image of Mercedes.

They have to deliver the whole package if they want people to take them seriously. What i have read problems for ATS were/are interior quality, engine refinement and noise. So they need to take care of this on new CT5...and CT4.
I don't see people giving Cadillac much more chances if they screw this up

 

[asrapid1]

Cadillac CT4 Shows Production Headlights In New Spy Photos
Gmauthority
BY ALEX LUFT
OCT 17, 2018

We’ve seen the upcoming Cadillac CT4 undergoing testing earlier this year. During each of those instances, however, the upcoming small sedan was wearing placeholders headlights, until now – as we managed to get catch the CT4 testing with production-spec headlights at the GM Milford Proving Grounds.


The headlights reveal a new take on Cadillac’s unique vertical LED lighting signature reminiscent of that on the Cadillac ATS, which the CT4 will indirectly replace. The checkered camouflage tries to trick us into thinking that the vertical lighting signature is interrupted, but we don’t believe that this will be the case. What’s unclear is whether the vertical signature will be joined by a horizontal counterpart, like the ones seen on the 2019 Cadillac CT6and 2019 XT4.

Power should come from the standard 2.0L Turbo LSY four-cylinder engine. The naturally-aspirated 3.6L V6 LGX could be offered as an option. A Sport model could be offered with the 3.0L Twin-Turbo V6 LGW engine, while the high-performance CT4-V should be available with the new Cadillac 4.2L V8 DOHC LTA engine, otherwise known as Blackwing.

Trim levels will follow the new Cadillac new Y trim level structure, commencing with the base Luxury, followed by mid-level Premium Luxury and Sport trims, and the range-topping Platinum and V-Series trims. Pricing should start in the low $30,000 range.

The CT4 will be built at the following plants:


GM Lansing Grand River plant in Michigan, USA for North America, South Korea, and the Middle East
Jinqiao Cadillac plant in China for China

The Cadillac CT4 is expected to be introduced in the second half of the 2019 calendar year as a 2020 model year vehicle.

Read more at
www.gmauthority.com/blog/2018/10/cadillac-ct4-shows-production-headlights-in-new-spy-photos/#ixzz5UPQoI0VN

 

[hovabongZA]

Thread kind of dead without John Golt, him being annoying was the reason I watched this thread not the Cadillac.

 

[rollo]

Thread kind of dead without John Golt, him being annoying was the reason I watched this thread not the Cadillac.

Likewise.

 

[Ghost]

Looks really promising. I don't know how the interior looks, but I'd take this over the FWD A-class anyday.

 

[Ghost]

To tell the truth, I look at the german cars and I see a writer’s block. The same old and boring design over and over again. Ugly ipads inside of the MB cars. One interior for all of the BMW models. Boring Audis... I'm getting tired of them.
I need a breath of fresh air. Hope, Cadillac will create smth intresting.

 

[rollo]

To tell the truth, I look at the german cars and I see a writer’s block. The same old and boring design over and over again. Ugly ipads inside of the MB cars. One interior for all of the BMW models. Boring Audis... I'm getting tired of them.
I need a breath of fresh air. Hope, Cadillac will create smth intresting.

I hear you to a point I suppose regarding design language. The issues for me regarding Cadillac come down to subpar driving dynamics and a history of letting us down with new models. Simply stated, they just aren't competitive yet with any of the German brands you mentioned.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

To tell the truth, I look at the german cars and I see a writer’s block. The same old and boring design over and over again. Ugly ipads inside of the MB cars. One interior for all of the BMW models. Boring Audis... I'm getting tired of them.
I need a breath of fresh air. Hope, Cadillac will create smth intresting.

I would expect the fresh air to come from Asia, including also China beside Japan and South Korea.

 

[SCOTT27]

Hmmm. Just as the F30 dies. Someone takes up the mantle.(Let's use the headlights,guys)

 

[Human]

I would expect the fresh air to come from Asia, including also China beside Japan and South Korea.

I hope so.
S.Korea's offerings are irritatingly boring.
Japanese Origami styling is just like the French DS range a mess of trying to hard.
Chinese copy cats could turn out to be the 'thing' by putting some interesting styling touches onto boring family familiar styles of established manufacturers.

 

[Serpens]

I hear you to a point I suppose regarding design language. The issues for me regarding Cadillac come down to subpar driving dynamics and a history of letting us down with new models. Simply stated, they just aren't competitive yet with any of the German brands you mentioned.

Cadillac solved the driving dynamics issue already. Their sedans drive extremely well. It’s the interiors and overall refinement that’s lacking now.

 

[asrapid1]

I hear you to a point I suppose regarding design language. The issues for me regarding Cadillac come down to subpar driving dynamics and a history of letting us down with new models. Simply stated, they just aren't competitive yet with any of the German brands you mentioned.

Driving dynamic of Cadillac sedans are probably among the best (if not the best) in its class for quite some time so this won't be an issue with new sedans (it shouldn't be)
Now...interior quality, noise, refinement is something that should be made more competitive. It seems those are categories where Cadillac is behind competition.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Cadillac solved the driving dynamics issue already. Their sedans drive extremely well. It’s the interiors and overall refinement that’s lacking now.

Yup. I know I have somewhat negative outlook with regards to Cadillac, but it's rooted in that they've always fallen shot of their hype ever since their "Art and Science" renaissance. They've had some good exterior designs. I still like the second gen CTS, particularly in CTS-V and wagon form. Their first gen SRX and XLR were handsome as well. Where they've fallen short were their interiors. Sure, their exterior designs brought more folks into the showroom, but they needed to invest more in their interiors so they could get those customers' butts into a worthwhile interior. I was really pulling for the CT6 to be something worthwhile, and, don't get me wrong, they've improved on quality but not enough to be on par with the Germans.

I hope so.
S.Korea's offerings are irritatingly boring.
Japanese Origami styling is just like the French DS range a mess of trying to hard.
Chinese copy cats could turn out to be the 'thing' by putting some interesting styling touches onto boring family familiar styles of established manufacturers.

Somewhat disagree. The S. Korean offerings have started to look more attractive, i.e. the Stinger looks good and the G70 has potential. The Genesis GV80 and G80 could also possibly be a step in the right direction. Much has to do with them hiring designers and engineers from German firms.

The Japanese luxury carmakers have been frustrating me with either insipid designs or just being too out there. The only Lexuses/Lexi I find appealing are the LS, LC, and possibly the new ES, though I would not pay for FWD at that price-point. The rest are either too much of a caricature or have languished in old age. The only car that Acura makes that is anywhere near appealing is the NSX. Infiniti has lost my interest a while ago.

I haven't had my finger on China's automotive design pulse, but there are potential for interesting designs, i.e. Lucid and some of the newer Geelys.

 

[asrapid1]

Where they've fallen short were their interiors. Sure, their exterior designs brought more folks into the showroom, but they needed to invest more in their interiors so they could get those customers' butts into a worthwhile interior. I was really pulling for the CT6 to be something worthwhile, and, don't get me wrong, they've improved on quality but not enough to be on par with the Germans.

Yup...they improved on quality of interiors but so did competition. They need to jump ahead of competition and not aim at the model that is 6-7 year on the market and soon to be replaced.And even when they do that is like they just don't give their best and cut corners on some important things.

Somewhat disagree. The S. Korean offerings have started to look more attractive, i.e. the Stinger looks good and the G70 has potential. The Genesis GV80 and G80 could also possibly be a step in the right direction. Much has to do with them hiring designers and engineers from German firms.
The Japanese luxury carmakers have been frustrating me with either insipid designs or just being too out there. The only Lexuses/Lexi I find appealing are the LS, LC, and possibly the new ES, though I would not pay for FWD at that price-point. The rest are either too much of a caricature or have languished in old age. The only car that Acura makes that is anywhere near appealing is the NSX. Infiniti has lost my interest a while ago.

I haven't had my finger on China's automotive design pulse, but there are potential for interesting designs, i.e. Lucid and some of the newer Geelys.

Genesis looks interesting but i think its powertrain is behind competition at the moment (especially its v8)

 

[rollo]

If Cadillac is there in terms of driving dynamics as several of you have stated, why no love? The looks seem bold and contemporary enough. Still a stigma with the brand? One of the older gentlemen (78) on our BOD has a CTS which I have been a passenger in and I was certainly not impressed with the ride. Perhaps he was driving too carefully for the dynamics to impress?

 

[gdm]

I really like the 1994 Cadillac STS seville,it was brilliant at that time.

 

[rollo]

My dad sold Cadillac's back in the late 60's and 70's. Lots of fond memories.

 

[asrapid1]

If Cadillac is there in terms of driving dynamics as several of you have stated, why no love? The looks seem bold and contemporary enough. Still a stigma with the brand? One of the older gentlemen (78) on our BOD has a CTS which I have been a passenger in and I was certainly not impressed with the ride. Perhaps he was driving too carefully for the dynamics to impress?

According to most reviews and tests(and owners on other forums) problem is interior, vibrations etc. When you have luxury class sedan driving dynamic is just one category. Yes it gives you an advantage over the other but if you fall short in all the other categories you have a problem. I've been driven in CTS (not gen III) and driving dynamics is very good.

Time around the track, fastest lap, etc. is nice for car magazines forum talk, etc. In a real life how many people will drive their luxury sports sedan to the limits to notice the differences in handling etc?
But quality of the interior, vibrations, engine refinement, noise is something you will notice even at the normal driving.
And yes Cadillac doesn't have the image of Mercedes..but they can only blame themselves.

 

[Ghost]

I hope so.
S.Korea's offerings are irritatingly boring.
Japanese Origami styling is just like the French DS range a mess of trying to hard.
Chinese copy cats could turn out to be the 'thing' by putting some interesting styling touches onto boring family familiar styles of established manufacturers.

Doubt about them. They only make copies. MB has a korean design.

 

[John Galt]

Regarding Cadillac.

John Galt mentioned interior of Escalade. I've read on other forums ("info" ,"rumors", or whatever you call it) that it will look as something special.

Now since Escalade is Cadillac flagship i think it could have very nice top of the line interior..
But since new Escalade is coming in 2020 or 2021 comparing it to present S cla...

1.Escalade won't be the flagship. There will be cars above.
2.Cadillac does not focus on the W222's interior.
I've mentioned the Benz just as an example, since it has the most tech-looking interior among the cars 2day.